1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,010 [Music] 2 00:00:16,830 --> 00:00:09,049 welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast 3 00:00:25,130 --> 00:00:23,269 [Music] 4 00:00:29,650 --> 00:00:25,140 yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast 5 00:00:32,950 --> 00:00:29,660 episode number 754 for the 19th of March 6 00:00:38,090 --> 00:00:32,960 2023 Richard Saunders coming to you from 7 00:00:40,910 --> 00:00:38,100 a really hot and muggy Sydney Australia 8 00:00:43,190 --> 00:00:40,920 wow what a change it's been over the 9 00:00:44,110 --> 00:00:43,200 last few days for me to leave a 10 00:01:43,550 --> 00:00:44,120 a 11 00:01:46,910 --> 00:01:43,560 look into the uh Wiki projects this time 12 00:01:50,870 --> 00:01:46,920 Adrian Hill looks at the folklore 13 00:01:52,850 --> 00:01:50,880 project Wiki folklore folklore myth 14 00:01:54,289 --> 00:01:52,860 stories all very interesting stuff and 15 00:01:56,690 --> 00:01:54,299 we'll discover what people have been 16 00:01:59,030 --> 00:01:56,700 looking up on Wikipedia when it comes to 17 00:02:00,649 --> 00:01:59,040 Folklore you can count on Adrian and 18 00:02:03,170 --> 00:02:00,659 I'll be counting on Adrian soon because 19 00:02:04,910 --> 00:02:03,180 I finally get to meet Adrian in person 20 00:02:07,310 --> 00:02:04,920 we've been working together for some 21 00:02:09,190 --> 00:02:07,320 years but she's in Sydney and she'll be 22 00:02:12,350 --> 00:02:09,200 speaking at Sydney Skeptics in the pub 23 00:02:14,089 --> 00:02:12,360 on Thursday night here in uh in Sydney 24 00:02:16,550 --> 00:02:14,099 looking forward to that 25 00:02:18,170 --> 00:02:16,560 also on this week's episode we look at 26 00:02:21,110 --> 00:02:18,180 an interesting book and I just had it 27 00:02:23,809 --> 00:02:21,120 with me I hear it is over here 28 00:02:25,850 --> 00:02:23,819 published in 1988 a book written by 29 00:02:28,550 --> 00:02:25,860 James Randy 30 00:02:30,410 --> 00:02:28,560 called the teachings of Carlos this was 31 00:02:33,710 --> 00:02:30,420 part of the press kit given out to the 32 00:02:35,750 --> 00:02:33,720 media during the Carlos hoax 33 00:02:39,710 --> 00:02:35,760 and it's a fascinating book I'll be 34 00:02:42,670 --> 00:02:39,720 reading some of the teachings of Carlos 35 00:02:47,030 --> 00:02:42,680 who was of course the ancient Spirit 36 00:02:50,809 --> 00:02:47,040 channeled through Jose Luis Alvarez at 37 00:02:52,850 --> 00:02:50,819 the time a great classical hoax in 38 00:02:55,369 --> 00:02:52,860 Australian media history 39 00:02:58,130 --> 00:02:55,379 then to round off the show we look at 40 00:03:00,350 --> 00:02:58,140 something that um you could be forgiven 41 00:03:02,150 --> 00:03:00,360 for thinking was another hoax 42 00:03:04,729 --> 00:03:02,160 Therapeutic Touch 43 00:03:06,830 --> 00:03:04,739 but plenty of people still to this day 44 00:03:08,809 --> 00:03:06,840 believe in Therapeutic Touch This is the 45 00:03:11,509 --> 00:03:08,819 idea that you can wave your hands over 46 00:03:14,690 --> 00:03:11,519 somebody it's sort of like Reiki in a 47 00:03:17,570 --> 00:03:14,700 way and mystical energies of 48 00:03:19,610 --> 00:03:17,580 channeled if I can use that word through 49 00:03:22,910 --> 00:03:19,620 you to the patient 50 00:03:25,369 --> 00:03:22,920 and sadly a lot of nurses not all of 51 00:03:28,009 --> 00:03:25,379 course but a lot of nurses have fallen 52 00:03:30,009 --> 00:03:28,019 for this hoax over the years 53 00:03:31,970 --> 00:03:30,019 well that's enough for me at the moment 54 00:03:34,009 --> 00:03:31,980 it's uh 55 00:03:35,809 --> 00:03:34,019 somewhere between four and five o'clock 56 00:03:38,030 --> 00:03:35,819 in the morning because of jet lag I'm up 57 00:03:40,550 --> 00:03:38,040 very early but I do beat the birds the 58 00:03:41,570 --> 00:03:40,560 dogs in the planes that fly over the 59 00:03:43,610 --> 00:03:41,580 studio 60 00:03:45,410 --> 00:03:43,620 and not the dogs they don't fly over the 61 00:03:47,330 --> 00:03:45,420 studio but they bark outside sometimes 62 00:03:50,050 --> 00:03:47,340 anyway it's time for me to run 63 00:03:52,729 --> 00:03:50,060 downstairs let me see 64 00:03:54,949 --> 00:03:52,739 what will I have Vegemite on toast of 65 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:54,959 course will I do that I hope you enjoy 66 00:04:13,690 --> 00:03:56,570 the skeptic Zone 67 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:17,090 you can count on Adrian 68 00:04:22,270 --> 00:04:19,050 with Adrian Hill 69 00:04:25,430 --> 00:04:22,280 [Music] 70 00:04:27,409 --> 00:04:25,440 hello everyone this is part five of my 71 00:04:29,930 --> 00:04:27,419 series of reports looking at Wiki 72 00:04:31,850 --> 00:04:29,940 projects on Wikipedia 73 00:04:34,490 --> 00:04:31,860 according to Wikipedia's own definition 74 00:04:36,590 --> 00:04:34,500 a Wiki project is quote a group of 75 00:04:39,710 --> 00:04:36,600 editors that wish to work together as a 76 00:04:41,390 --> 00:04:39,720 team to improve Wikipedia a successful 77 00:04:43,430 --> 00:04:41,400 Wiki project contributes toward 78 00:04:46,670 --> 00:04:43,440 Wikipedia's mission of building an 79 00:04:48,350 --> 00:04:46,680 encyclopedia end quote 80 00:04:50,629 --> 00:04:48,360 so this time we're going to take a look 81 00:04:52,550 --> 00:04:50,639 at the Articles associated with a Wiki 82 00:04:55,370 --> 00:04:52,560 project of particular interest to 83 00:04:58,610 --> 00:04:55,380 Skeptics and skeptic Zone friend Ben 84 00:05:01,850 --> 00:04:58,620 Radford Wiki project folklore 85 00:05:04,490 --> 00:05:01,860 this Wiki project states that founded in 86 00:05:06,770 --> 00:05:04,500 2018 the wiki Project's goal is simple 87 00:05:09,050 --> 00:05:06,780 to improve Wikipedia's coverage of 88 00:05:11,270 --> 00:05:09,060 folklore related topics to identifying 89 00:05:14,030 --> 00:05:11,280 and employing sources from folklore 90 00:05:16,610 --> 00:05:14,040 studies members build relevant articles 91 00:05:19,070 --> 00:05:16,620 that meet Wikipedia's reliable source 92 00:05:21,310 --> 00:05:19,080 criteria develop categories and 93 00:05:23,749 --> 00:05:21,320 templates and work to improve 94 00:05:25,730 --> 00:05:23,759 pre-existing problem articles that fall 95 00:05:28,850 --> 00:05:25,740 within the scope of the project 96 00:05:30,550 --> 00:05:28,860 according to Wikipedia folklore is 97 00:05:33,409 --> 00:05:30,560 shared by a particular group of people 98 00:05:35,870 --> 00:05:33,419 it encompasses the Traditions common to 99 00:05:38,689 --> 00:05:35,880 that culture subculture or group this 100 00:05:42,830 --> 00:05:38,699 includes Tales myths Legends Proverbs 101 00:05:46,310 --> 00:05:42,840 poems jokes and other oral traditions 102 00:05:48,469 --> 00:05:46,320 they include material culture such as 103 00:05:50,570 --> 00:05:48,479 traditional building styles common to 104 00:05:53,330 --> 00:05:50,580 the group folklore also includes 105 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:53,340 customary lore taking actions for folk 106 00:05:57,230 --> 00:05:55,740 beliefs the forums and rituals of 107 00:06:00,110 --> 00:05:57,240 celebrations such as Christmas and 108 00:06:01,550 --> 00:06:00,120 weddings folk dances and initiation 109 00:06:03,890 --> 00:06:01,560 rights 110 00:06:07,310 --> 00:06:03,900 this Project's main page is called 111 00:06:09,290 --> 00:06:07,320 wikiproject underscore folklore and of 112 00:06:12,469 --> 00:06:09,300 course it has a popular Pages called 113 00:06:15,830 --> 00:06:12,479 Wiki project underscore folklore forward 114 00:06:17,450 --> 00:06:15,840 slash popular underscore Pages the links 115 00:06:19,790 --> 00:06:17,460 will be included in this week's show 116 00:06:22,070 --> 00:06:19,800 notes and now with the help of Richard 117 00:06:24,529 --> 00:06:22,080 Saunders let's take a look at the top 10 118 00:06:27,050 --> 00:06:24,539 Wikipedia articles per number of page 119 00:06:29,090 --> 00:06:27,060 views listed at the popular Pages the 120 00:06:32,510 --> 00:06:29,100 list we'll use comes from data collected 121 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:32,520 on February 28 2023 so it's reasonably 122 00:06:39,050 --> 00:06:33,450 up to date 123 00:06:43,090 --> 00:06:41,510 at number 10 on the list with a daily 124 00:06:47,450 --> 00:06:43,100 average of 125 00:06:50,029 --> 00:06:47,460 3083 views is Bigfoot now we've covered 126 00:06:53,029 --> 00:06:50,039 this page before in this series but to 127 00:06:56,510 --> 00:06:53,039 briefly recap Bigfoot also commonly 128 00:06:58,730 --> 00:06:56,520 referred to as Sasquatch is a purported 129 00:07:01,790 --> 00:06:58,740 ape-like creature said to inhabit the 130 00:07:03,590 --> 00:07:01,800 forests of North America many dubious 131 00:07:05,270 --> 00:07:03,600 articles have been offered in attempts 132 00:07:08,390 --> 00:07:05,280 to prove the existence of Bigfoot 133 00:07:10,730 --> 00:07:08,400 including anecdotal claims of sightings 134 00:07:14,029 --> 00:07:10,740 as well as alleged video and audio 135 00:07:17,150 --> 00:07:14,039 recordings photographs and casts of 136 00:07:20,029 --> 00:07:17,160 large Footprints some of which are known 137 00:07:22,249 --> 00:07:20,039 or admitted hoaxes 138 00:07:26,749 --> 00:07:22,259 at number nine on the list with a daily 139 00:07:29,390 --> 00:07:26,759 average of 3211 views is One Thousand 140 00:07:32,390 --> 00:07:29,400 and One Nights according to its wiki 141 00:07:34,610 --> 00:07:32,400 page 1001 Knights is a collection of 142 00:07:37,969 --> 00:07:34,620 Middle Eastern folk tales compiled in 143 00:07:40,070 --> 00:07:37,979 Arabic during the Islamic golden age 144 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:40,080 it is often known in English as the 145 00:07:43,570 --> 00:07:42,000 Arabian Nights from the first English 146 00:07:49,309 --> 00:07:43,580 language Edition 147 00:07:52,309 --> 00:07:49,319 1706 to 1721 which rendered the title as 148 00:07:54,409 --> 00:07:52,319 the Arabian Nights entertainment 149 00:07:56,629 --> 00:07:54,419 the work was collected over many 150 00:07:58,730 --> 00:07:56,639 centuries by various authors translators 151 00:08:02,089 --> 00:07:58,740 and Scholars across West Asia central 152 00:08:04,189 --> 00:08:02,099 Asia South Asia and North Africa 153 00:08:06,890 --> 00:08:04,199 some Tales trace the roots back to 154 00:08:10,249 --> 00:08:06,900 ancient and medieval Arabic Egyptian 155 00:08:11,930 --> 00:08:10,259 Sanskrit Persian and Mesopotamian 156 00:08:13,790 --> 00:08:11,940 literature 157 00:08:15,469 --> 00:08:13,800 common to all the additions of the 158 00:08:17,570 --> 00:08:15,479 knights is the framing device of the 159 00:08:20,409 --> 00:08:17,580 story of the ruler shariar being 160 00:08:23,629 --> 00:08:20,419 narrated the tales by his wife 161 00:08:26,210 --> 00:08:23,639 shaherazad with one tale told over each 162 00:08:28,670 --> 00:08:26,220 night of Storytelling the stories 163 00:08:30,710 --> 00:08:28,680 proceed from this original tale some are 164 00:08:33,170 --> 00:08:30,720 framed with another Tales while some are 165 00:08:35,389 --> 00:08:33,180 self-contained some additions contain 166 00:08:38,329 --> 00:08:35,399 only a few hundred stories While others 167 00:08:41,149 --> 00:08:38,339 include a thousand and one or more the 168 00:08:43,250 --> 00:08:41,159 bulk of the text is in prose although 169 00:08:44,990 --> 00:08:43,260 verse is occasionally used for songs and 170 00:08:47,509 --> 00:08:45,000 riddles and to express heightened 171 00:08:49,970 --> 00:08:47,519 emotion most of the poems are single 172 00:08:50,990 --> 00:08:49,980 couplets or quatrains although some are 173 00:08:53,030 --> 00:08:51,000 longer 174 00:08:55,210 --> 00:08:53,040 some of the stories commonly associated 175 00:08:58,670 --> 00:08:55,220 with the Arabian Nights particularly 176 00:09:00,710 --> 00:08:58,680 Aladdin's wonderful lamp and Alibaba and 177 00:09:02,449 --> 00:09:00,720 the 40 thieves were not part of the 178 00:09:03,889 --> 00:09:02,459 collection in its original Arabic 179 00:09:06,050 --> 00:09:03,899 versions but were added to the 180 00:09:08,269 --> 00:09:06,060 collection by Antoine galland after he 181 00:09:11,150 --> 00:09:08,279 heard them from the Syrian Maronite 182 00:09:14,449 --> 00:09:11,160 Christian Storyteller Hannah diab on 183 00:09:16,970 --> 00:09:14,459 diab's visit to Paris other stories such 184 00:09:19,130 --> 00:09:16,980 as the seven Voyages of Sinbad the 185 00:09:23,329 --> 00:09:19,140 Sailor had an independent existence 186 00:09:27,610 --> 00:09:25,550 at number eight on the list with the 187 00:09:31,389 --> 00:09:27,620 daily average of 188 00:09:33,829 --> 00:09:31,399 3236 views is a list of Greek 189 00:09:36,889 --> 00:09:33,839 mythological figures 190 00:09:40,430 --> 00:09:36,899 according to its wiki page the following 191 00:09:42,590 --> 00:09:40,440 is a list of gods goddesses and many 192 00:09:45,470 --> 00:09:42,600 other Divine and semi-divine figures 193 00:09:46,990 --> 00:09:45,480 from ancient Greek mythology and ancient 194 00:09:50,269 --> 00:09:47,000 Greek religion 195 00:09:53,690 --> 00:09:50,279 Immortals the Greeks created images of 196 00:09:55,850 --> 00:09:53,700 their deities for many purposes a temple 197 00:09:58,910 --> 00:09:55,860 would house the statue of a god or 198 00:10:01,009 --> 00:09:58,920 goddess or multiple deities and might be 199 00:10:04,449 --> 00:10:01,019 decorated with relief scenes depicting 200 00:10:06,650 --> 00:10:04,459 myths Divine Images were common on coins 201 00:10:08,870 --> 00:10:06,660 drinking cups and other vessels were 202 00:10:11,810 --> 00:10:08,880 painted with scenes from Greek myths 203 00:10:13,730 --> 00:10:11,820 among the list of the Divine and there 204 00:10:17,389 --> 00:10:13,740 are many are 205 00:10:20,930 --> 00:10:17,399 Aphrodite goddess of beauty love desire 206 00:10:24,050 --> 00:10:20,940 and pleasure Apollo God of Music Arts 207 00:10:27,170 --> 00:10:24,060 knowledge healing plague prophecy poetry 208 00:10:31,070 --> 00:10:27,180 manly Beauty and archery 209 00:10:32,210 --> 00:10:31,080 Ares God of Courage War Bloodshed and 210 00:10:34,730 --> 00:10:32,220 violence 211 00:10:38,030 --> 00:10:34,740 Artemis virgin goddess of the hunt 212 00:10:39,610 --> 00:10:38,040 wilderness animals the moon and young 213 00:10:42,949 --> 00:10:39,620 girls 214 00:10:46,130 --> 00:10:42,959 Dionysus god of wine fruitfulness 215 00:10:47,470 --> 00:10:46,140 parties festivals Madness chaos 216 00:10:51,590 --> 00:10:47,480 drunkenness 217 00:10:54,230 --> 00:10:51,600 vegetation ecstasy and the theater 218 00:10:57,230 --> 00:10:54,240 Hades King of the underworld and the 219 00:11:00,290 --> 00:10:57,240 dead he is also a god of wealth 220 00:11:03,650 --> 00:11:00,300 Herra queen of the gods and goddess of 221 00:11:07,790 --> 00:11:03,660 women marriage childbirth heirs Kings 222 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:07,800 and Empires Hermes God of boundaries 223 00:11:14,690 --> 00:11:10,980 travel trade communication language 224 00:11:18,889 --> 00:11:14,700 writing cunning and thieves 225 00:11:21,350 --> 00:11:18,899 Poseidon god of the sea Rivers floods 226 00:11:24,889 --> 00:11:21,360 droughts and earthquakes 227 00:11:28,490 --> 00:11:24,899 Zeus King of the Gods ruler of Mount 228 00:11:34,190 --> 00:11:28,500 Olympus and god of the sky weather 229 00:11:36,290 --> 00:11:34,200 thunder lightning law order and justice 230 00:11:40,850 --> 00:11:36,300 at number seven on the list with a daily 231 00:11:42,530 --> 00:11:40,860 average of 3342 views is religion no 232 00:11:44,990 --> 00:11:42,540 there is a broad topic 233 00:11:47,230 --> 00:11:45,000 according to its Wikipedia page religion 234 00:11:49,850 --> 00:11:47,240 is a range of social cultural systems 235 00:11:52,550 --> 00:11:49,860 including designated behaviors and 236 00:11:55,069 --> 00:11:52,560 practices morals beliefs World Views 237 00:11:58,069 --> 00:11:55,079 texts Sanctified places prophecies 238 00:12:00,550 --> 00:11:58,079 ethics or organizations that generally 239 00:12:03,650 --> 00:12:00,560 relate Humanity to the supernatural 240 00:12:06,470 --> 00:12:03,660 transcendental and spiritual elements 241 00:12:09,110 --> 00:12:06,480 although there is no scholarly consensus 242 00:12:12,290 --> 00:12:09,120 over what precisely constitutes a 243 00:12:14,569 --> 00:12:12,300 religion interesting different religions 244 00:12:17,210 --> 00:12:14,579 may or may not contain various elements 245 00:12:20,090 --> 00:12:17,220 ranging from the Divine sacredness faith 246 00:12:22,550 --> 00:12:20,100 and a supernatural being or beings 247 00:12:25,550 --> 00:12:22,560 religious practices may include rituals 248 00:12:29,030 --> 00:12:25,560 sermons commemoration or veneration of 249 00:12:32,449 --> 00:12:29,040 deities or Saints sacrifices festivals 250 00:12:35,690 --> 00:12:32,459 feasts trances initiations matrimonial 251 00:12:40,190 --> 00:12:35,700 and funerary Services meditation prayer 252 00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:40,200 music art dance and or public service 253 00:12:44,509 --> 00:12:42,480 religions have sacred histories and 254 00:12:46,730 --> 00:12:44,519 narratives which may be preserved in 255 00:12:49,329 --> 00:12:46,740 sacred texts symbols and holy places 256 00:12:51,949 --> 00:12:49,339 that primarily aim to give life meaning 257 00:12:53,870 --> 00:12:51,959 religions may contain symbolic tales 258 00:12:57,110 --> 00:12:53,880 that may attempt to explain the origin 259 00:12:59,389 --> 00:12:57,120 of life the universe and other phenomena 260 00:13:02,210 --> 00:12:59,399 some followers believe these to be true 261 00:13:04,190 --> 00:13:02,220 stories traditionally both faith and 262 00:13:06,530 --> 00:13:04,200 reason have been considered sources of 263 00:13:08,389 --> 00:13:06,540 religious beliefs there are estimated 264 00:13:11,150 --> 00:13:08,399 ten thousand distinct religions 265 00:13:12,889 --> 00:13:11,160 worldwide though nearly all of them have 266 00:13:14,030 --> 00:13:12,899 regionally based relatively small 267 00:13:16,970 --> 00:13:14,040 followings 268 00:13:19,910 --> 00:13:16,980 four religions Christianity Islam 269 00:13:22,970 --> 00:13:19,920 Hinduism and Buddhism account for over 270 00:13:25,009 --> 00:13:22,980 77 percent of the world's population and 271 00:13:26,690 --> 00:13:25,019 92 percent of the world either follows 272 00:13:29,629 --> 00:13:26,700 one of those four religions or 273 00:13:32,389 --> 00:13:29,639 identifies as non-religious meaning that 274 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:32,399 the remaining nine thousand plus faiths 275 00:13:36,829 --> 00:13:35,040 account for only eight percent of the 276 00:13:39,230 --> 00:13:36,839 population combined 277 00:13:41,389 --> 00:13:39,240 the religiously unaffiliated demographic 278 00:13:43,730 --> 00:13:41,399 includes those who do not identify with 279 00:13:46,069 --> 00:13:43,740 any particular religion atheists and 280 00:13:47,690 --> 00:13:46,079 agnostics although many in the 281 00:13:49,310 --> 00:13:47,700 demographics still have various 282 00:13:52,129 --> 00:13:49,320 religious beliefs 283 00:13:54,949 --> 00:13:52,139 a portion of the population mostly 284 00:13:57,650 --> 00:13:54,959 located in Africa and Asia are members 285 00:14:00,410 --> 00:13:57,660 of new religious movements Scholars have 286 00:14:02,210 --> 00:14:00,420 indicated that Global religiosity may be 287 00:14:05,090 --> 00:14:02,220 increasing due to religious countries 288 00:14:07,069 --> 00:14:05,100 having generally higher birth rates the 289 00:14:08,750 --> 00:14:07,079 study of Religion comprises a wide 290 00:14:11,150 --> 00:14:08,760 variety of academic disciplines 291 00:14:13,490 --> 00:14:11,160 including theology philosophy of 292 00:14:16,009 --> 00:14:13,500 religion comparative religion and social 293 00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:16,019 scientific studies theories of religion 294 00:14:20,030 --> 00:14:18,000 offer various explanations for its 295 00:14:22,129 --> 00:14:20,040 Origins and workings including the 296 00:14:25,310 --> 00:14:22,139 ontological foundations of religious 297 00:14:27,410 --> 00:14:25,320 being and belief 298 00:14:29,449 --> 00:14:27,420 at number six on the list with a daily 299 00:14:31,790 --> 00:14:29,459 average of three thousand seven hundred 300 00:14:34,430 --> 00:14:31,800 and Thirty One views is a list of 301 00:14:37,870 --> 00:14:34,440 Cryptids now we've covered this page in 302 00:14:40,329 --> 00:14:37,880 this series before but to briefly recap 303 00:14:43,129 --> 00:14:40,339 Cryptids are animals that 304 00:14:45,290 --> 00:14:43,139 cryptozoologists believe may exist 305 00:14:48,710 --> 00:14:45,300 somewhere in the wild but are not 306 00:14:51,290 --> 00:14:48,720 recognized by science cryptozoology is a 307 00:14:53,870 --> 00:14:51,300 pseudoscience which primarily looks at 308 00:14:56,569 --> 00:14:53,880 anecdotal stories and other claims 309 00:14:58,790 --> 00:14:56,579 rejected by the scientific Community why 310 00:15:01,250 --> 00:14:58,800 biologists regularly identify new 311 00:15:03,069 --> 00:15:01,260 species following established scientific 312 00:15:05,509 --> 00:15:03,079 methodology 313 00:15:07,790 --> 00:15:05,519 cryptozoologists focus on entries 314 00:15:09,889 --> 00:15:07,800 mentioned in the folklore record and 315 00:15:12,170 --> 00:15:09,899 rumor 316 00:15:13,569 --> 00:15:12,180 at number five on the list with a daily 317 00:15:17,569 --> 00:15:13,579 average of 318 00:15:20,689 --> 00:15:17,579 4471 views is Moses 319 00:15:22,670 --> 00:15:20,699 according to his Wikipedia page Moses is 320 00:15:24,710 --> 00:15:22,680 considered the most important prophet in 321 00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:24,720 Judaism and one of the most important 322 00:15:30,350 --> 00:15:27,600 prophets in Christianity Islam the 323 00:15:33,230 --> 00:15:30,360 Drew's Faith the Baha'i faith and other 324 00:15:35,870 --> 00:15:33,240 abrahamic religions according to both 325 00:15:37,790 --> 00:15:35,880 the Bible and the Quran Moses was the 326 00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:37,800 leader of the Israelites and law Giver 327 00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:39,660 to whom the authorship or quote 328 00:15:44,449 --> 00:15:42,120 acquisition from Heaven quote of the 329 00:15:47,449 --> 00:15:44,459 Torah the first five books of the Bible 330 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:47,459 is attributed according to the Book of 331 00:15:52,430 --> 00:15:50,160 Exodus Moses was born in a time when his 332 00:15:54,410 --> 00:15:52,440 people the Israelites and enslaved 333 00:15:57,530 --> 00:15:54,420 minority were increasing in population 334 00:15:59,629 --> 00:15:57,540 and as a result the Egyptian pharaoh 335 00:16:01,610 --> 00:15:59,639 worried that they may Ally themselves 336 00:16:04,670 --> 00:16:01,620 with Egypt's enemies 337 00:16:06,829 --> 00:16:04,680 Moses Hebrew mother jacobed secretly hid 338 00:16:09,470 --> 00:16:06,839 him when Pharaoh ordered all newborn 339 00:16:11,389 --> 00:16:09,480 Hebrew boys to be killed in order to 340 00:16:13,850 --> 00:16:11,399 reduce the population of the Israelites 341 00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:13,860 through Pharaoh's daughter identified as 342 00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:16,800 Queen bithya in the midrash the child 343 00:16:20,750 --> 00:16:19,199 was adopted as a foundling from the Nile 344 00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:20,760 and grew up with the Egyptian royal 345 00:16:25,610 --> 00:16:23,519 family after killing an Egyptian slave 346 00:16:28,129 --> 00:16:25,620 master who was beating a Hebrew Moses 347 00:16:29,930 --> 00:16:28,139 fled across the Red Sea to Midian where 348 00:16:32,090 --> 00:16:29,940 he encountered the angel of the Lord 349 00:16:34,970 --> 00:16:32,100 speaking to him from within a burning 350 00:16:37,850 --> 00:16:34,980 bush on Mount Horeb which he regarded as 351 00:16:40,009 --> 00:16:37,860 the Mountain of God God sent Moses back 352 00:16:42,350 --> 00:16:40,019 to Egypt to demand the release of the 353 00:16:44,449 --> 00:16:42,360 Israelites From Slavery Moses said he 354 00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:44,459 could not speak eloquently so God 355 00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:47,040 allowed Aaron his elder brother to 356 00:16:51,889 --> 00:16:48,839 become his spokesperson 357 00:16:53,930 --> 00:16:51,899 after the ten plagues Moses led the 358 00:16:56,090 --> 00:16:53,940 Exodus of the Israelites out of Egypt 359 00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:56,100 and across the Red Sea after which they 360 00:17:00,050 --> 00:16:58,320 base themselves at Mount Sinai where 361 00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:00,060 Moses received the Ten Commandments 362 00:17:04,909 --> 00:17:02,160 after 40 Years of wandering in the 363 00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:04,919 desert Moses died on Mount Nebo at the 364 00:17:11,090 --> 00:17:07,919 age of 120 within sight of the promised 365 00:17:13,309 --> 00:17:11,100 land generally Scholars see Moses as a 366 00:17:15,890 --> 00:17:13,319 legendary figure whilst retaining the 367 00:17:19,090 --> 00:17:15,900 possibility that Moses or a moses-like 368 00:17:22,490 --> 00:17:19,100 figure existed in the 13th century BCE 369 00:17:26,110 --> 00:17:22,500 rabbinical Judaism calculated a lifespan 370 00:17:28,789 --> 00:17:26,120 of Moses corresponding to 371 00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:28,799 1391-1271 BCE 372 00:17:37,549 --> 00:17:33,360 Jerome suggested 1592 BCE and James 373 00:17:39,230 --> 00:17:37,559 Usher suggested 1571 BCE as his birth 374 00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:39,240 year 375 00:17:43,090 --> 00:17:41,280 at number four on the list with a daily 376 00:17:48,409 --> 00:17:43,100 average of 377 00:17:50,029 --> 00:17:48,419 4775 views is Ragnar lodbrook according 378 00:17:54,289 --> 00:17:50,039 to his wiki page 379 00:17:57,289 --> 00:17:54,299 Ragnar lodbrook Ragnar Harry breaches 380 00:18:00,830 --> 00:17:57,299 according to Legends was a viking hero 381 00:18:03,710 --> 00:18:00,840 and a Swedish and danish King he is 382 00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:03,720 known from Old Norse poetry of the 383 00:18:09,710 --> 00:18:06,960 Viking age Icelandic sagas and near 384 00:18:12,230 --> 00:18:09,720 contemporary Chronicles according to 385 00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:12,240 traditional literature Ragnar 386 00:18:16,909 --> 00:18:14,400 distinguished himself by conducting many 387 00:18:19,490 --> 00:18:16,919 raids against the British Isles and the 388 00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:19,500 Holy Roman Empire during the 9th century 389 00:18:26,510 --> 00:18:23,039 he also appears in Norse Legends and 390 00:18:30,529 --> 00:18:26,520 according to the legendary sagas tale of 391 00:18:33,770 --> 00:18:30,539 Ragnar's sons and a Sagar about certain 392 00:18:37,310 --> 00:18:33,780 ancient Kings Ragnar lodbrook's father 393 00:18:41,090 --> 00:18:37,320 has been given as the legendary King of 394 00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:41,100 the swedes sigard Ring whereas Ragnar's 395 00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:45,120 Sons Ivar the Boneless half Dan ragnason 396 00:18:52,669 --> 00:18:49,679 Beyond Ironside Uber and Sigrid snake in 397 00:18:54,370 --> 00:18:52,679 the eye uh historical figures opinion 398 00:18:56,990 --> 00:18:54,380 regarding their father is divided 399 00:19:00,409 --> 00:18:57,000 contemporary Academia regards most of 400 00:19:02,570 --> 00:19:00,419 the stories about him to be fiction 401 00:19:06,730 --> 00:19:02,580 at number three on the list with a daily 402 00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:06,740 average of 4905 views is Lucifer 403 00:19:11,870 --> 00:19:09,840 according to his Wikipedia page Lucifer 404 00:19:14,510 --> 00:19:11,880 is one of various figures in folklore 405 00:19:16,430 --> 00:19:14,520 associated with the planet Venus the 406 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,440 entity's name was subsequently absorbed 407 00:19:20,990 --> 00:19:18,480 into Christianity as a name for the 408 00:19:22,909 --> 00:19:21,000 devil modern scholarship generally 409 00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:22,919 translates the term in the relevant 410 00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:27,120 Bible passage Isaiah 14 12 where the 411 00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:30,240 Greek Septuagint reads as morning star 412 00:19:36,770 --> 00:19:34,080 or shining one rather than as a proper 413 00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:36,780 noun Lucifer as found in the Latin 414 00:19:41,090 --> 00:19:39,360 Vulgate as a name for the devil in 415 00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:41,100 Christian theology the more common 416 00:19:46,190 --> 00:19:43,440 meaning in English Lucifer is the 417 00:19:48,289 --> 00:19:46,200 rendering of the Hebrew word helel in 418 00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:48,299 Isaiah given in the King James version 419 00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:51,000 of the Bible as a name for the planet in 420 00:19:55,850 --> 00:19:53,280 its morning aspect Lucifer or 421 00:19:57,529 --> 00:19:55,860 lightbringer is a proper noun and is 422 00:20:00,409 --> 00:19:57,539 capitalized in English 423 00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:00,419 in Greco-Roman civilization it was often 424 00:20:05,390 --> 00:20:03,120 personified and considered a God and in 425 00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:05,400 some versions considered a son of Aurora 426 00:20:10,490 --> 00:20:08,400 the dawn a similar name was used by the 427 00:20:13,010 --> 00:20:10,500 poet Catalyst for the planet in its 428 00:20:15,409 --> 00:20:13,020 evening aspect as noctifer or 429 00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:15,419 nightbringer 430 00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:17,400 at number two on the list with a daily 431 00:20:23,810 --> 00:20:19,520 average of 432 00:20:25,789 --> 00:20:23,820 7587 views is the back rooms 433 00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:25,799 according to its wiki page 434 00:20:32,810 --> 00:20:29,120 the back rooms is an online urban legend 435 00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:32,820 originating from a creepypasta posted on 436 00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:36,000 the 2019 4chan thread 437 00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:38,100 one of the most well-known examples of 438 00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:40,320 the internet aesthetic of limited spaces 439 00:20:46,130 --> 00:20:43,280 which depicts usually busy locations as 440 00:20:48,650 --> 00:20:46,140 unnaturally empty the back rooms was 441 00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:48,660 first described as a maze of empty 442 00:20:55,789 --> 00:20:52,080 office rooms that can be only entered by 443 00:20:58,250 --> 00:20:55,799 non-clipping out of reality as its 444 00:21:00,289 --> 00:20:58,260 popularity grew internet users expanded 445 00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,299 upon the original concept by creating 446 00:21:05,870 --> 00:21:02,640 different levels and entities which 447 00:21:09,289 --> 00:21:05,880 inhabit the back rooms fan made video 448 00:21:12,350 --> 00:21:09,299 games collaborative fiction wikis and 449 00:21:14,270 --> 00:21:12,360 YouTube videos have also been created a 450 00:21:19,370 --> 00:21:14,280 series of horror shorts created by 451 00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:19,380 YouTuber Kane pixels in 2022 is credited 452 00:21:24,890 --> 00:21:22,679 with popularizing back rooms content on 453 00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:24,900 the platform and he is stated to 454 00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:27,480 director film adaptation of his back 455 00:21:33,529 --> 00:21:30,240 rooms videos 456 00:21:36,370 --> 00:21:33,539 and finally at number one on the list 457 00:21:39,230 --> 00:21:36,380 with a daily average of 15 458 00:21:40,370 --> 00:21:39,240 257 views is a fun one that I was not 459 00:21:43,549 --> 00:21:40,380 familiar with 460 00:21:46,370 --> 00:21:43,559 it is a brownie according to its 461 00:21:47,330 --> 00:21:46,380 Wikipedia page a brownie or Bruni for 462 00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:47,340 Scots 463 00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:51,360 also known as a Brunei or grugark in 464 00:21:55,970 --> 00:21:53,940 Scottish Gaelic and I probably didn't 465 00:21:58,970 --> 00:21:55,980 pronounce those very well 466 00:22:00,770 --> 00:21:58,980 is a household Spirit or hobgoblin from 467 00:22:02,210 --> 00:22:00,780 Scottish folklore that is said to come 468 00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:02,220 out at night while the owners of the 469 00:22:07,370 --> 00:22:04,500 house are asleep and perform various 470 00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:07,380 chores and farming tasks oh I think I'd 471 00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,640 like to have one of those in my house 472 00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,280 the human owners of the house must leave 473 00:22:15,529 --> 00:22:13,440 a bowl of milk or cream or some other 474 00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:15,539 offering for the brownie usually by the 475 00:22:19,730 --> 00:22:18,240 hearth brownies are described as easily 476 00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,740 offended and will leave their homes 477 00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:21,360 forever if they feel they have been 478 00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,580 insulted or in any way taken advantage 479 00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:26,159 of brownies are characteristically 480 00:22:31,850 --> 00:22:28,860 mischievous and are often said to punish 481 00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:31,860 or pull pranks on lazy servants if 482 00:22:37,010 --> 00:22:33,960 angered they are sometimes said to turn 483 00:22:38,450 --> 00:22:37,020 malicious like bogerts 484 00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:38,460 um maybe I don't want to have one of 485 00:22:45,890 --> 00:22:43,730 brownies originated as domestic tutelary 486 00:22:47,570 --> 00:22:45,900 Spirits very similar to the layers of 487 00:22:49,850 --> 00:22:47,580 ancient Roman tradition 488 00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:49,860 descriptions of brownies vary regionally 489 00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:52,260 but they are usually described as ugly 490 00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:55,200 brown skinned and covered in hair 491 00:22:59,810 --> 00:22:57,419 in the oldest stories they are usually 492 00:23:02,210 --> 00:22:59,820 human-sized or larger in more recent 493 00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:02,220 times they have come to be seen as small 494 00:23:06,409 --> 00:23:04,620 and wisened they are often capable of 495 00:23:09,169 --> 00:23:06,419 turning invisible and they sometimes 496 00:23:12,409 --> 00:23:09,179 appear in the shapes of animals they are 497 00:23:14,450 --> 00:23:12,419 always either naked or dressed in rags 498 00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,460 if a person attempts to present a 499 00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:16,320 brownie with clothing or if a person 500 00:23:20,330 --> 00:23:18,840 attempts to baptize him he will leave 501 00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:20,340 forever 502 00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:22,620 although the name brownie originated as 503 00:23:28,130 --> 00:23:26,159 a dialectal word used only in the UK it 504 00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,140 has since become the standard term for 505 00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:30,240 all such creatures throughout the UK and 506 00:23:34,010 --> 00:23:32,100 Ireland 507 00:23:36,409 --> 00:23:34,020 Regional variants in England and 508 00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:36,419 Scotland include Hobbs silkies and 509 00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,440 earrings 510 00:23:42,830 --> 00:23:39,840 variants outside England and Scotland 511 00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:42,840 are the Welsh bubach and the manx 512 00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,220 fenudry 513 00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:46,559 brownies have also appeared outside of 514 00:23:52,190 --> 00:23:49,020 folklore including in John Milton's poem 515 00:23:54,169 --> 00:23:52,200 La legro they became popular in works of 516 00:23:56,450 --> 00:23:54,179 children's literature in the late 19th 517 00:23:58,850 --> 00:23:56,460 century and continue to appear in works 518 00:24:00,770 --> 00:23:58,860 of modern fantasy 519 00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:00,780 the brownies in the Girl Guides are 520 00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:02,700 named after a short story by Juliana 521 00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,539 horashia Ewing based on brownie folklore 522 00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,880 well that one tested my pronunciation 523 00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:11,520 skills and I apologize for 524 00:24:18,909 --> 00:24:13,980 mispronouncing many things I am sure in 525 00:24:24,409 --> 00:24:21,890 and there you have it the top 10 list as 526 00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:24,419 recorded on the wiki project folklore 527 00:24:30,850 --> 00:24:27,059 now before you ask here are the subjects 528 00:24:34,930 --> 00:24:30,860 making up numbers 11 to 20. the Gin 529 00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:34,940 Phoenix chupacabra Loch Ness monster 530 00:24:45,470 --> 00:24:40,020 wendigo Robin Hood Dragon Baba Yaga 531 00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:47,330 in the next segment I'll be looking at a 532 00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:49,260 really fun project called Wikipedia 533 00:24:54,770 --> 00:24:52,440 alien and I love that the page has a 534 00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,780 completely green background who said 535 00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:57,120 Wikipedia editors have no fun 536 00:25:02,870 --> 00:24:59,820 but for now this is Adrian Hill signing 537 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:09,120 foreign 538 00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:14,649 [Music] 539 00:25:20,090 --> 00:25:17,760 Adrian Hill here and I'm really excited 540 00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:20,100 to announce I'm going to be heading to 541 00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,220 Sydney on March 14th Canada time and 542 00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:24,960 we'll be attending a Skeptics in the pub 543 00:25:30,590 --> 00:25:28,440 on Thursday March 23rd hopefully I'll be 544 00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:30,600 over the jet lag by then and I will be 545 00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:32,520 fully awake for my talk which I have 546 00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:36,059 titled skepticism and syntax the a 547 00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,580 Wikipedia Guru with giggles and gumption 548 00:25:42,769 --> 00:25:40,559 join me to walk through my journey to 549 00:25:44,330 --> 00:25:42,779 becoming a skeptical activist from my 550 00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:44,340 first behind the scenes work with the 551 00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:47,220 gorilla skepticism on Wikipedia not so 552 00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:49,380 secret cabal two snickering on the 553 00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,960 skeptic Zone podcast join me for 554 00:25:56,890 --> 00:25:53,760 discussions on haunted houses medical 555 00:26:00,110 --> 00:25:56,900 pseudoscience psychics and silly stories 556 00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:00,120 giggling guaranteed and that's at the 557 00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,000 Occidental Hotel on Thursday March 23rd 558 00:26:10,029 --> 00:26:06,000 at 6 PM in Sydney details can be found 559 00:26:12,810 --> 00:26:10,039 at meetup.com forward slash AUST 560 00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:12,820 Skeptics hope I see you there 561 00:26:33,409 --> 00:26:18,179 [Music] 562 00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,419 1988 James Randy helped pull up one of 563 00:26:38,570 --> 00:26:35,279 the Great hoaxes 564 00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,580 in Australian media history it was the 565 00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:41,279 year of the great Carlos hoax 566 00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:45,360 now briefly the great Carlos hoax was 567 00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:48,960 brought about by Richard Carlton a fine 568 00:26:54,049 --> 00:26:52,080 man who died some years ago who was a 569 00:26:56,930 --> 00:26:54,059 reporter on the Australian version of 60 570 00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:56,940 Minutes Richard was an amateur magician 571 00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:57,960 as well 572 00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:00,720 and a skeptic he was very skeptical of 573 00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:03,600 the claims of the new age and so on 574 00:27:08,029 --> 00:27:05,700 and he also noticed how the Australian 575 00:27:09,890 --> 00:27:08,039 media would often take things at face 576 00:27:12,409 --> 00:27:09,900 value especially when it came to the 577 00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:12,419 claims of the new age and not really do 578 00:27:18,250 --> 00:27:15,960 much research in order to get a story 579 00:27:22,730 --> 00:27:18,260 so he together with James Randy 580 00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:22,740 developed the idea for a Channeler to 581 00:27:29,210 --> 00:27:26,880 visit Australia to test the media to see 582 00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:29,220 if the media would do their research 583 00:27:34,430 --> 00:27:32,400 to discover this Channeler was a fake 584 00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,440 channeling and channelers were very 585 00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:36,779 popular at the time people who had put 586 00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:38,940 on silly voices 587 00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:41,580 feign going into some sort of 588 00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:45,360 altered state and then be possessed by 589 00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,960 the spirit of some ancient philosopher 590 00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:51,120 now I won't go into all the details 591 00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:53,640 about the hoax this time but I will be 592 00:27:58,909 --> 00:27:55,620 linking in the show notes to the 60 593 00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,919 Minutes episode which talks about the 594 00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:01,200 whole Adventure I remember at the time 595 00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:02,760 watching this episode of 60 minutes 596 00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:05,760 because they said they would have new 597 00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,159 information about Carlos the great 598 00:28:12,669 --> 00:28:10,080 Chandler who was visiting Australia and 599 00:28:16,190 --> 00:28:12,679 caused a media storm it was a big story 600 00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:16,200 then revealed on 60 Minutes that it was 601 00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:18,360 all a hoax it was quite something 602 00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:21,120 anyway I encourage you to go to the link 603 00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:22,860 in the show notes and you can watch the 604 00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:25,919 whole episode about Carlos 605 00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:27,900 but to give you an idea here's a short 606 00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:31,260 clip from the 60 Minutes report dealing 607 00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:34,200 with when Carlos who was of course 608 00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:38,820 played by Jose Luis Alvarez also known 609 00:28:42,669 --> 00:28:40,260 as Devi Pena 610 00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:42,679 Randy's companion at the time of course 611 00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:49,850 first let's take a look at the opera 612 00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:52,440 house last Sunday hundreds packed in to 613 00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:54,840 see a shy young artist named Jose 614 00:29:05,690 --> 00:28:57,840 Alvarez suddenly become the wise old 615 00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:08,269 they came in their hundreds the faithful 616 00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:11,279 and the Curious they came to hear Pearls 617 00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:14,640 of Wisdom cast by Carlos 618 00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:15,600 hey 619 00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:18,480 crystals are fossils 620 00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,820 ago 621 00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:23,520 learn that spirit 622 00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:25,799 Carlos if you believe him is a spiritual 623 00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,559 messenger who occupies the body of this 624 00:29:33,769 --> 00:29:30,960 19 year old Puerto Rican artist Jose 625 00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,779 Alvarez I thought it was great very 626 00:29:38,150 --> 00:29:35,120 sincere 627 00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:38,160 do you believe him yeah I do 628 00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:40,500 [Music] 629 00:29:45,649 --> 00:29:43,860 I am Carlos last Sunday the Opera House 630 00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:45,659 drama theater was packed with a 631 00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:48,539 near-capacity crowd of 500. there to 632 00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:50,340 listen to Carlos and to have their 633 00:29:53,690 --> 00:29:52,500 questions passed on to him by his 634 00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:53,700 disciples 635 00:29:57,419 --> 00:30:02,330 this is a question for a lady 636 00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,210 and this lady is wearing 637 00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:08,159 aqua color crystals 638 00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:11,340 but they are only glass 639 00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:14,220 if they were real crystals 640 00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:22,850 and apart from this fanciful medicine 641 00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:25,440 Carlos has some other homegrown homilies 642 00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:33,190 this is all good new age stuff 643 00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:36,120 reincarnation spiritual healing and the 644 00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:38,380 critical role of crystals 645 00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:48,409 oh life on Earth derived from Keystone 646 00:30:51,649 --> 00:30:49,679 power 647 00:30:53,570 --> 00:30:51,659 while Carlos had foreshadowed his visit 648 00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:53,580 to Australia not through a sign from the 649 00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:55,620 heavens or a natural disaster but 650 00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,240 through a good old-fashioned public 651 00:31:01,370 --> 00:30:59,039 relations campaign 652 00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:01,380 this is how it was organized first the 653 00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,020 key Sydney media received this glossy 654 00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:06,480 public relations handout now inside 655 00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:08,700 there's a book of Carlos's teachings 656 00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:10,440 various glossy photographs of the chap 657 00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:13,440 and other paraphernalia also available 658 00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:16,140 is a specially produced sound cassette 659 00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:18,600 and available on demand as specially 660 00:31:23,090 --> 00:31:21,240 produced video 661 00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:23,100 many of the people who went to see 662 00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:24,840 Carlos that night in the Sydney Opera 663 00:31:30,409 --> 00:31:27,840 House were convinced he was real or were 664 00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,419 curious but there were plenty of people 665 00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:32,640 who would have forked out lots of money 666 00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:34,200 to buy 667 00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:38,399 crystals or private readings and so on 668 00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,380 as mentioned in the 60 Minutes report 669 00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:42,480 one of the items in the press kit which 670 00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,760 went out to reporters before the arrival 671 00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:46,799 of Carlos in 1988 672 00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:49,320 was a small book called and I have it 673 00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,700 here 674 00:31:55,330 --> 00:31:53,279 the teachings of Carlos the incredible 675 00:31:58,750 --> 00:31:55,340 pronouncements of an ascended Master 676 00:32:01,850 --> 00:31:58,760 channeled through Jose Luis Alvarez 677 00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:01,860 copyright 1988 so I thought I would read 678 00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:03,659 some of these wondrous insights from the 679 00:32:09,289 --> 00:32:04,320 book 680 00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:09,299 these days and if you can get it at all 681 00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:12,720 and the copy I have if I open a few 682 00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:16,559 pages signed to James Randy Alias Carlos 683 00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,620 because James Randy wrote This Book 684 00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:22,080 James Randy wrote all this uh what 685 00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:25,140 you'll hear so a few pages here on the 686 00:32:30,769 --> 00:32:28,919 uh the first page it says I am Carlos I 687 00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:30,779 have come to you from many past 688 00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:34,380 incarnations I have a great lesson to 689 00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:36,899 teach you listen carefully read 690 00:32:42,529 --> 00:32:40,260 carefully think carefully the truth is 691 00:32:45,769 --> 00:32:42,539 here 692 00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,779 the teachings of Carlos 693 00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:48,000 and then it says this book is dedicated 694 00:32:52,669 --> 00:32:50,940 to all thinking persons this is actually 695 00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:52,679 James Randy 696 00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,179 putting here and there through it that 697 00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,159 you have to think please think think it 698 00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,840 was sort of um 699 00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:00,240 how would you say it a cryptic message 700 00:33:06,049 --> 00:33:01,679 page five 701 00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:06,059 you see all the questions are always the 702 00:33:12,889 --> 00:33:09,000 same question why are we here in this 703 00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:12,899 persuasion is this the only the be-all 704 00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:14,460 existence 705 00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:18,179 who is my servant who is my slave who is 706 00:33:24,409 --> 00:33:22,140 my master will there be a continuance a 707 00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:24,419 self-generated and self-generating 708 00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:27,960 Oneness after this phase does anyone 709 00:33:32,930 --> 00:33:30,600 know does anyone even suspect the 710 00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:32,940 ultimate truth of our being and the 711 00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:35,519 higher being the answer is always the 712 00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:39,600 same it is who can say what is the one 713 00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:41,940 answer there are many answers to any 714 00:33:48,409 --> 00:33:44,580 question and all the answers are right 715 00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,419 answers it is so do you see 716 00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,640 James Randy told me he is and years and 717 00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:52,080 years and years later 718 00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:56,100 that he wrote this book he tried to 719 00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:59,220 emulate this style of new age uh double 720 00:34:02,690 --> 00:34:00,480 talk 721 00:34:03,409 --> 00:34:02,700 mumbo jumbo 722 00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,419 um 723 00:34:08,290 --> 00:34:05,519 nonsense 724 00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:08,300 now the book itself is 725 00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:10,159 62 726 00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:15,060 367 60 65 pages long so 727 00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:18,960 just a selected few of the teachings of 728 00:34:24,409 --> 00:34:21,300 Carlos to give you a flavor 729 00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:24,419 page 11. this section is taken from the 730 00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:26,460 Chicago appearance September the 5th 731 00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:29,820 1987 and is freely extracted by the 732 00:34:34,849 --> 00:34:33,060 editor now another note of course Carlos 733 00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,859 never appeared at the places 734 00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:36,720 claimed in the book and it was part of 735 00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:39,540 the um The hoax played on the Australian 736 00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:42,720 media The Seekers answered 737 00:34:47,570 --> 00:34:44,339 Seeker 738 00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:47,580 how may I become closer to the godhead 739 00:34:54,649 --> 00:34:51,659 Carlos to become closer just this you 740 00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:54,659 have already been Everywhere You are not 741 00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:57,200 close you cannot admit that to yourself 742 00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:01,920 when you say closer it means that you 743 00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:05,160 are already there you have always been 744 00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:08,339 it has always been that way coming 745 00:35:12,589 --> 00:35:11,520 closer is done by knowing that you are 746 00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:12,599 not there 747 00:35:17,089 --> 00:35:15,000 nothing that happens after that will 748 00:35:20,750 --> 00:35:17,099 prove the fact 749 00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:20,760 as you can see it's just uh 750 00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:22,920 word salad that was the phrase I was 751 00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:24,900 trying to get to before 752 00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:27,960 gibberish it's word salad it's new age 753 00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,660 meanings and sentences and 754 00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:32,480 phrases 755 00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:36,420 page 23 Seeker What is the difference 756 00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:39,960 between a God and a man Carlos 757 00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:43,320 a man is subject to rules but even a God 758 00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:46,500 must obey the wishes of others and of 759 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:49,740 some divine plan you can never take away 760 00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,520 his knowledge nor make him ignorant but 761 00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:56,160 he can be controlled you yourself are 762 00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:58,500 the servant of the Divine planners but 763 00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:01,740 Chief watching you in that role that 764 00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:04,980 plan is not your creation you see one 765 00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:07,920 created the other it is for you to 766 00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:10,740 determine whether you will become that 767 00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:15,720 is be the Creator or not do you see 768 00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,300 and later on in the book on page 29 we 769 00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:19,920 have a section called the words of 770 00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:21,119 Carlos 771 00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:24,180 on page 34 for example 772 00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:26,220 if there were one thing only that I 773 00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:28,500 would want to leave with you it is this 774 00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:31,740 look within look around look underneath 775 00:36:42,109 --> 00:36:39,530 you can imagine Randy sitting at his uh 776 00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:42,119 his computer at the time 777 00:36:46,730 --> 00:36:44,339 just writing all this 778 00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:46,740 page 43 779 00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:50,520 a leaf is not a tree without many leaves 780 00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:53,820 a tree dies without one leaf the tree 781 00:36:58,510 --> 00:36:55,500 can live 782 00:37:02,930 --> 00:36:58,520 without many one leaves the tree dies 783 00:37:07,849 --> 00:37:02,940 dies but can a leaf live without the 784 00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:07,859 tree no the answer is simply no 785 00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:11,460 trying to make a sense of that huh 786 00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:15,180 page 48. do you believe in Devils if 787 00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:18,599 Devils why not angels are the two so 788 00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:21,660 very different no both are your own 789 00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,880 Creations without your imagination 790 00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:25,680 neither would exist 791 00:37:32,569 --> 00:37:29,640 from a need for easy explanations you 792 00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,579 brought forth these inventions good and 793 00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:35,520 evil are abstract comparative terms that 794 00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:38,640 only take absolute value if they ever do 795 00:37:44,569 --> 00:37:41,700 when compared with one another 796 00:37:48,290 --> 00:37:44,579 it's uh it's really it's so funny 797 00:37:49,609 --> 00:37:48,300 reading this knowing that the that Randy 798 00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:49,619 was behind it all 799 00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,900 page 56. 800 00:37:56,089 --> 00:37:54,480 and what happens in Freedom assessment 801 00:38:03,230 --> 00:37:56,099 never 802 00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:03,240 new ideal a new opportunity a new 803 00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:06,420 Direction a new expression this is not a 804 00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:09,599 time to become by retaining the 805 00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:12,180 obstacles we allow the Winds of Freedom 806 00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:14,280 will come forth 807 00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:16,859 this is just beautiful word salad isn't 808 00:38:23,630 --> 00:38:18,839 it 809 00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:23,640 page 59 do the law resist not the rulers 810 00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:27,240 when their laws provoke you give voice 811 00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:29,940 if needed make your words reach the 812 00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:32,040 heavens and perchance the rulers will 813 00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:34,500 hear those words on their way past them 814 00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,220 rulers cannot hear sometimes repeat your 815 00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:40,880 phrases repeat your phrases 816 00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:42,660 Randy 817 00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:45,420 sensible or not phrases often enough 818 00:38:50,810 --> 00:38:49,200 repeated will be heard by the chemical 819 00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:50,820 process 820 00:38:57,230 --> 00:38:54,240 but the law is not all 821 00:38:59,710 --> 00:38:57,240 the law is all 822 00:39:03,710 --> 00:38:59,720 on the back cover there's a picture of 823 00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:03,720 Carlos holding a crystal and written the 824 00:39:09,410 --> 00:39:06,960 wisdom of the ages is in this book The 825 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,420 Entity known as Carlos a very old soul 826 00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:11,359 who has undergone 827 00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:14,700 170 transitions is now an ascended 828 00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:16,980 master of rare ability and in these 829 00:39:20,589 --> 00:39:18,420 Pages he takes the reader through 830 00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:20,599 philosophical avenues that Delight 831 00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:23,839 puzzle and inspire 832 00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,760 here are the answers to some of the 833 00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:28,800 strangest questions that can be posed 834 00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:31,260 the nature of Truth the future of 835 00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:34,619 mankind and devastating commentaries on 836 00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:37,440 Modern lifestyles are expressed without 837 00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:41,460 fear direct easy to read statements of 838 00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:43,980 profound meaning Dazzle the reader on 839 00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:46,740 every page basic truisms that have 840 00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:49,920 escaped discussions and now developed 841 00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:52,680 fully for the earnest student of 842 00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,320 channeling read this book and obtain an 843 00:39:59,690 --> 00:39:57,359 insight into the New Age movement that 844 00:40:02,750 --> 00:39:59,700 is currently taking hold all over the 845 00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:02,760 world no other book will Express or 846 00:40:08,510 --> 00:40:05,460 explain more fully the true nature of 847 00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:08,520 this phenomenon and it's millions of 848 00:40:14,990 --> 00:40:12,720 followers and scores of working gurus 849 00:40:16,849 --> 00:40:15,000 The Entity Carlos is a unique 850 00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:16,859 personality channeled through an 851 00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:20,280 american-born artist named Jose Luis 852 00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:22,680 Alvarez Carlos is available through 853 00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:25,680 Alvarez for private consultations and 854 00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:32,750 so there we go a look at the book the 855 00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:36,060 teachings of Carlos I don't think 856 00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:37,920 honestly I don't think there are many 857 00:40:44,030 --> 00:40:41,460 copies of this now in existence 858 00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,040 the teachings of Carlos 859 00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:47,040 and those lessons still hold something 860 00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:02,390 hi this is Susan gerbeck from gsow 861 00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,520 that's Guerrilla skepticism on Wikipedia 862 00:41:09,950 --> 00:41:07,440 I want to thank everyone who via the 863 00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:09,960 Skeptics on podcast has contacted me to 864 00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,180 become an editor on Wikipedia 865 00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,640 together we have worked on or created 866 00:41:18,589 --> 00:41:16,740 thousands of Wikipedia pages with 867 00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:18,599 countless thousands of people from all 868 00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:20,760 over the world accessing those pages 869 00:41:24,530 --> 00:41:22,020 each day 870 00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:24,540 in fact we are approaching 200 million 871 00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:27,780 page views like many listeners I also 872 00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:29,940 get back to the skeptic Zone podcast via 873 00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:32,040 monthly micro payments and I want to 874 00:41:36,290 --> 00:41:34,500 encourage you to do the same is the 875 00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:36,300 information and entertainment you get 876 00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,700 each week from the show worth five or 877 00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,520 ten dollars a month I sure think it is 878 00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,920 just click the link at skepticzone.tv 879 00:41:49,150 --> 00:41:46,560 and show your practical support thank 880 00:42:04,490 --> 00:41:52,200 thank you 881 00:42:11,530 --> 00:42:06,650 now it's time once again to dive back 882 00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:13,370 trove.nla.gov dot a u the online 883 00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:15,000 resource from the Australian government 884 00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:16,740 in the National Library of Australia 885 00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:18,780 thank you very much full of digital 886 00:42:24,010 --> 00:42:21,060 archives going back decades and decades 887 00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:24,020 and well decades centuries 888 00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:26,940 Millennium to the beginning of time well 889 00:42:31,870 --> 00:42:29,640 not quite that far back but certainly 890 00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:31,880 millions of articles for you to peruse 891 00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:34,200 and this week I thought it would look at 892 00:42:42,370 --> 00:42:37,500 a very interesting form of so-called 893 00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:42,380 alternative medicine not so popular now 894 00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,800 it had its uh Heyday some time ago 895 00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:48,960 maybe I'm out of touch and speaking of 896 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:49,800 touch 897 00:42:59,390 --> 00:42:52,930 it's Therapeutic Touch 898 00:43:02,450 --> 00:42:59,400 [Music] 899 00:43:06,170 --> 00:43:02,460 what is Therapeutic Touch well according 900 00:43:10,030 --> 00:43:06,180 to Wikipedia Therapeutic Touch commonly 901 00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:10,040 shortened to key key known by some as 902 00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,640 non-contact Therapeutic Touch or nctd is 903 00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:17,359 a pseudo-scientific Energy Medicine 904 00:43:23,569 --> 00:43:19,980 which practitioners claim promotes 905 00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,579 healing and reduces pain and anxiety 906 00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:25,680 Therapeutic Touch is a registered 907 00:43:30,829 --> 00:43:28,040 trademark in Canada for the quote 908 00:43:32,690 --> 00:43:30,839 structured and standardization healing 909 00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:32,700 practice performed by practitioners 910 00:43:36,829 --> 00:43:34,380 trained to be sensitive to the 911 00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:36,839 receiver's energy field that surrounds 912 00:43:40,849 --> 00:43:37,859 the body 913 00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,859 no touching is required practitioners of 914 00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:43,440 Therapeutic Touch state that by placing 915 00:43:50,089 --> 00:43:47,520 their hands on or near a patient they 916 00:43:52,930 --> 00:43:50,099 are able to detect and manipulate what 917 00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:52,940 they say is the patient's energy field 918 00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:56,700 one highly cited study designed by the 919 00:44:01,010 --> 00:43:59,640 then nine-year-old Emily Rosa and 920 00:44:04,670 --> 00:44:01,020 published in the Journal of the American 921 00:44:07,069 --> 00:44:04,680 Medical Association in 1998 found that 922 00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:07,079 practitioners of Therapeutic Touch could 923 00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:09,960 not detect the presence or absence of a 924 00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:12,359 hand placed a few inches above theirs 925 00:44:18,370 --> 00:44:15,599 when their Vision was obstructed Simon 926 00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:18,380 Singh and edsad Ernst concluded in their 927 00:44:24,170 --> 00:44:21,960 2008 book trick or treatment that quote 928 00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,180 the energy field was probably nothing 929 00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,920 more than a figment of the imaginations 930 00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:28,560 of the healers end quote the American 931 00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,859 Cancer Society noted quote available 932 00:44:37,309 --> 00:44:34,319 scientific evidence does not support any 933 00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:37,319 claims that TT can cure cancer or other 934 00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,920 diseases main quote a 2004 Cochrane 935 00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:43,200 review found no good evidence that it 936 00:44:49,849 --> 00:44:45,900 helped with wound healing but the 937 00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:49,859 authors withdrew it in 2016 quote due 938 00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:52,319 serious concerns over the availability 939 00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:56,040 of included studies end quote now this 940 00:45:01,849 --> 00:44:58,920 page goes on to talk about the origins 941 00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:01,859 of Therapeutic Touch and later on it 942 00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,780 talks about Therapeutic Touch and 943 00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:06,000 nursing education 944 00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:09,300 SoCal in 2006 reported generally 945 00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:12,599 accepted estimates of over 80 colleges 946 00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:14,700 and universities spread over 70 947 00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:17,280 countries where Therapeutic Touch is 948 00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:20,880 taught as well as some 80 hospitals in 949 00:45:26,809 --> 00:45:24,180 North America where it is practiced 950 00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,819 Owen hammer and James underdown from the 951 00:45:30,370 --> 00:45:28,319 Independent investigations group 952 00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,380 examined nursing standards in California 953 00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:33,119 where the California Board of Registered 954 00:45:38,329 --> 00:45:34,640 Nursing 955 00:45:40,730 --> 00:45:38,339 cbrn can award registered nurses taking 956 00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:40,740 classes in Therapeutic Touch with 957 00:45:47,569 --> 00:45:43,560 continuing education units required for 958 00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:47,579 licensure renewal in 2006 hammer and 959 00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,640 underdown presented the board with the 960 00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:52,319 scientific evidence refuting the 961 00:45:56,930 --> 00:45:54,599 validity of Therapeutic Touch as a 962 00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:56,940 legitimate treatment but the board did 963 00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:59,940 not change its policy so a little 964 00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:01,920 unusually we're going to start this 965 00:46:08,990 --> 00:46:03,900 week's trove 966 00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:09,000 from clippings and so forth with a flyer 967 00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:10,920 a 968 00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:18,180 in 2002 969 00:46:25,069 --> 00:46:22,859 and as is my habit I collected this or 970 00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:25,079 at least made a photograph of it for the 971 00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:28,560 skeptical Archives this was on the 972 00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:31,020 bulletin board or the notice board in a 973 00:46:35,690 --> 00:46:33,900 corridor in a Sydney Hospital 11 years 974 00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:35,700 ago 975 00:46:42,130 --> 00:46:38,579 a complementary therapy for professional 976 00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,140 nursing practice attention all nurses 977 00:46:47,650 --> 00:46:45,119 learn this nursing innovation in a 978 00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:47,660 two-day workshop based on nursing Theory 979 00:46:53,290 --> 00:46:50,760 supported by nursing research endorsed 980 00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:53,300 by South Eastern Area Health Service 981 00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,660 November 23 and 24 venue research and 982 00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,240 education center Short Street cogra New 983 00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:03,440 South Wales with Debbie Smythe 984 00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:07,619 rnrm and various other degrees 985 00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:11,359 certified Therapeutic Touch teacher 986 00:47:16,849 --> 00:47:13,980 practitioner past president of 987 00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:16,859 Australian College of holistic nurses 988 00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:18,900 that was page one and on the other side 989 00:47:24,730 --> 00:47:22,319 of the page it says Therapeutic Touch a 990 00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:24,740 Nursing treatment to help or heal 991 00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:27,000 registered nurses are becoming more 992 00:47:32,329 --> 00:47:29,400 aware of the need to develop a range of 993 00:47:33,890 --> 00:47:32,339 caring strategies that will enable them 994 00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:33,900 to meet the healing needs of their 995 00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:37,140 patients holistically Therapeutic Touch 996 00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:40,380 TT is a non-invasive nursing 997 00:47:45,770 --> 00:47:43,260 intervention that is able to meet the 998 00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:45,780 needs of both the patient and the nurse 999 00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:48,720 in this way TT is supported by the Royal 1000 00:47:54,109 --> 00:47:51,240 College of Nursing New South Wales 1001 00:47:55,730 --> 00:47:54,119 Nurses Association and South East Area 1002 00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:55,740 Health Service 1003 00:48:01,970 --> 00:47:58,560 TT was initially developed and taught by 1004 00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:01,980 Dr Dolores Kreiger or Krieger a nurse 1005 00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:04,260 and professor of nursing at New York 1006 00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:06,660 University since then it has been taught 1007 00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:08,520 and practiced by nurses in the United 1008 00:48:14,329 --> 00:48:11,640 States of America and Canada for many 1009 00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:14,339 years and more recently Australia and 1010 00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:16,560 New Zealand this course will also 1011 00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:18,300 develop the skills necessary to begin 1012 00:48:23,710 --> 00:48:21,000 the practice of TT in a variety of 1013 00:48:27,710 --> 00:48:23,720 clinical settings course facilitator 1014 00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:27,720 Debbie Smythe rnrm and various other 1015 00:48:35,569 --> 00:48:31,680 degrees which go on for the whole line 1016 00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:35,579 is a holistic nurse consultant and a 1017 00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:38,700 palliative care nurse in Mount Olivet 1018 00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:41,339 hospice Brisbane I think that is 1019 00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:43,800 pronounced and a past president of the 1020 00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:45,480 Australian College of holistic nurses 1021 00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:49,440 Debbie studied TT in the USA in 1983 and 1022 00:48:56,050 --> 00:48:53,220 1989 under Dolores Krieger's program at 1023 00:49:01,790 --> 00:48:56,060 New York University and in Adelaide in 1024 00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:01,800 1992 and 1993 with Dr Janet Quinn and Dr 1025 00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,079 craiger respectively Debbie has 1026 00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:06,960 researched TT topic of her master's 1027 00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:08,339 thesis 1028 00:49:14,270 --> 00:49:11,700 and practice TT for almost 20 years she 1029 00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:14,280 is also credited with introducing TT to 1030 00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:16,680 Australian nurses by initially teaching 1031 00:49:22,910 --> 00:49:19,380 it as a university continuing education 1032 00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:22,920 course in 1989. since then Debbie has 1033 00:49:27,950 --> 00:49:25,020 taught TT to hundreds of nurses both 1034 00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,960 locally and nationally one of Debbie's 1035 00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,240 current roles is coordinating a holistic 1036 00:49:35,089 --> 00:49:33,119 CARE program in the hospice in which TT 1037 00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:35,099 is one of the modalities offered to 1038 00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:36,660 patients 1039 00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,319 venue Saint George Hospital research and 1040 00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:43,440 education center room one two South 1041 00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:46,260 Street kogara New South Wales date 1042 00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:49,980 November 23 in 24 2002 1043 00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:53,520 Saturday and Sunday time 08 30 hours to 1044 00:50:01,370 --> 00:49:57,920 16 30 hours fee two hundred dollars 1045 00:50:04,010 --> 00:50:01,380 175 for holistic Nurse Association of 1046 00:50:06,589 --> 00:50:04,020 Australian members 150 full-time 1047 00:50:08,510 --> 00:50:06,599 students fee includes materials 1048 00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:08,520 certificate and morning and afternoon 1049 00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:12,000 teas lunches not included but may be 1050 00:50:18,109 --> 00:50:14,940 purchased at nearby shops or bring your 1051 00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:18,119 own or bring a plate to be shared note 1052 00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:20,280 fees and expenses in relation to this 1053 00:50:26,410 --> 00:50:23,760 Workshop may be tax deductible and the 1054 00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:26,420 rest of the page is taken up with your 1055 00:50:31,550 --> 00:50:29,460 application form your registration form 1056 00:50:34,250 --> 00:50:31,560 registration form Therapeutic Touch 1057 00:50:35,809 --> 00:50:34,260 Workshop November 2002 I wish to 1058 00:50:38,930 --> 00:50:35,819 register for the Therapeutic Touch 1059 00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,940 workshop and enclose the fee please make 1060 00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:41,280 check or money order payable to Debbie 1061 00:50:45,970 --> 00:50:43,560 Smythe now a quick look around the 1062 00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:45,980 Internet only finds references to Debbie 1063 00:50:51,730 --> 00:50:49,319 smythwichara more than a decade old 1064 00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:51,740 but I guess the point is that in 2002 1065 00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:54,960 these flyers and leaflets this was going 1066 00:51:01,130 --> 00:50:58,020 on in Australian hospitals 1067 00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,140 but now let's turn to what newspaper 1068 00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,119 reports I have found covering 1069 00:51:07,849 --> 00:51:05,760 Therapeutic Touch in the Australian 1070 00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:07,859 archives when we 1071 00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:11,940 first go to the Canberra times dated the 1072 00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:19,430 Under The Heading medicine laying on of 1073 00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:23,640 Healing Hands revived by Jane e Brody in 1074 00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,140 New York 1075 00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:27,839 the use of human hands to heal the sick 1076 00:51:33,049 --> 00:51:30,720 an ancient practice largely dismissed by 1077 00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:33,059 modern scientific medicine as mystical 1078 00:51:39,410 --> 00:51:37,040 mumbo jumbo is being revived by nursing 1079 00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,420 researchers who say their studies show 1080 00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:41,760 that nearly all people can learn to 1081 00:51:47,210 --> 00:51:45,180 promote healing with their hands the 1082 00:51:49,849 --> 00:51:47,220 researchers report they have detected 1083 00:51:53,569 --> 00:51:49,859 distinct physiological effects from 1084 00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:53,579 using a modified version of quote laying 1085 00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:57,359 on of hands in quote called Therapeutic 1086 00:52:01,549 --> 00:51:58,260 Touch 1087 00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:01,559 although others remain skeptical of its 1088 00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:03,540 benefits researchers and practitioners 1089 00:52:08,510 --> 00:52:06,000 of Therapeutic Touch say the method 1090 00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:08,520 deserves wider study and application as 1091 00:52:14,089 --> 00:52:11,520 a healing Aid among its observed effects 1092 00:52:16,609 --> 00:52:14,099 have been the relief of pain reduced 1093 00:52:19,549 --> 00:52:16,619 anxiety increases in the amount of 1094 00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:19,559 oxygen carrying hemoglobin in the blood 1095 00:52:26,089 --> 00:52:22,740 and changes in brain waves indicative of 1096 00:52:28,910 --> 00:52:26,099 relaxation a recently scientifically 1097 00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:28,920 designed study conducted at a major New 1098 00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:31,680 York Hospital indicated that the effects 1099 00:52:36,650 --> 00:52:33,960 of Therapeutic Touch go beyond the 1100 00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,660 well-known Placebo response in which 1101 00:52:41,329 --> 00:52:38,880 patients improve because they believe 1102 00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:41,339 the therapy is beneficial 1103 00:52:46,849 --> 00:52:44,460 in this and other studies Therapeutic 1104 00:52:50,089 --> 00:52:46,859 Touch was found to have health benefits 1105 00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,099 even without direct contact between the 1106 00:52:55,490 --> 00:52:52,559 healer's hands and the patient's body 1107 00:52:57,470 --> 00:52:55,500 and even if the patient had no knowledge 1108 00:53:00,349 --> 00:52:57,480 of what the technique was supposed to 1109 00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:00,359 achieve the studies also suggested that 1110 00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:04,140 healers need not have had any special 1111 00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:06,900 talents or Powers but simply required 1112 00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,720 instruction and practice in the proper 1113 00:53:14,329 --> 00:53:12,240 execution of the technique in these 1114 00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,339 respects Therapeutic Touch is quite 1115 00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,520 different from Psychic healing 1116 00:53:22,010 --> 00:53:19,680 which depends on the faith of the 1117 00:53:24,650 --> 00:53:22,020 recipient in the unique powers of the 1118 00:53:27,730 --> 00:53:24,660 particular healer Therapeutic Touch also 1119 00:53:30,130 --> 00:53:27,740 makes no claims for miraculous cures 1120 00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,140 Therapeutic Touch is not a Panacea 1121 00:53:34,370 --> 00:53:32,640 knocked the Janet Quinn a leading 1122 00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:34,380 student of the technique said in a 1123 00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:36,780 recent interview people don't throw down 1124 00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,020 their crutches or get cured of cancer 1125 00:53:45,170 --> 00:53:42,720 rather Dr Quinn the recipient of the 1126 00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:45,180 First Federal grant awarded to study the 1127 00:53:50,589 --> 00:53:48,480 method described it as an adjunct to 1128 00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,599 traditional medicine and nursing care 1129 00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:53,280 Therapeutic Touch is not a method for 1130 00:53:59,870 --> 00:53:56,640 curing but of healing healing in the 1131 00:54:02,210 --> 00:53:59,880 original sense of the word she said Dr 1132 00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:02,220 Quinn assistant director of nursing 1133 00:54:06,250 --> 00:54:04,020 research at the University of South 1134 00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:06,260 Carolina at Columbia 1135 00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:10,079 explained that the word healing was 1136 00:54:16,450 --> 00:54:13,260 derived from the Anglo-Saxon wood Halen 1137 00:54:20,030 --> 00:54:16,460 which is spelled 1138 00:54:23,089 --> 00:54:20,040 h-a-e-l-a-n I think from the uh what is 1139 00:54:25,549 --> 00:54:23,099 typed here meaning to be whole or to 1140 00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:25,559 make hole she is among a growing number 1141 00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:27,960 of researchers and clinicians who 1142 00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,780 believe that wholeness and integration 1143 00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:33,119 of body and mind that has been over 1144 00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,520 ignored by modern medicine can 1145 00:54:39,530 --> 00:54:37,200 facilitate healing 1146 00:54:43,609 --> 00:54:39,540 Therapeutic Touch has been described by 1147 00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,619 Dr Dolores Krieger as boosting a 1148 00:54:49,069 --> 00:54:46,160 patient's own recuperative powers 1149 00:54:51,049 --> 00:54:49,079 accelerating the healing process among 1150 00:54:54,290 --> 00:54:51,059 Dr Krieger's studies are those 1151 00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,300 indicating that laying on of hands can 1152 00:55:00,290 --> 00:54:56,880 increase hemoglobin levels in the blood 1153 00:55:03,230 --> 00:55:00,300 of patients Dr Kroger is a professor of 1154 00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,240 nursing at New York University and the 1155 00:55:08,809 --> 00:55:06,000 author of quote the Therapeutic Touch 1156 00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:08,819 and quote a book describing the practice 1157 00:55:14,270 --> 00:55:12,900 and its outcomes published in 1979 by 1158 00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:14,280 Prentice Hall 1159 00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:16,500 she has been studying Therapeutic Touch 1160 00:55:21,410 --> 00:55:19,380 for more than 15 years and has taught it 1161 00:55:23,870 --> 00:55:21,420 to thousands of health professionals 1162 00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:23,880 many of whom use it as part of regular 1163 00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:26,640 Nursing Care Dr Quinn is a former 1164 00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:28,800 student of Dr Krugers 1165 00:55:32,990 --> 00:55:30,780 and again that could be pronounced 1166 00:55:35,930 --> 00:55:33,000 Kriegers I'm not sure 1167 00:55:38,450 --> 00:55:35,940 at least two researchers Philip Clark a 1168 00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:38,460 psychiatric nurse at the Dwight David 1169 00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:40,800 Eisenhower Army Medical Center at Fort 1170 00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:44,280 Gordon Georgia and Mary Jo Clark an 1171 00:55:48,349 --> 00:55:45,960 assistant professor of nursing at the 1172 00:55:51,069 --> 00:55:48,359 Medical College of Georgia say they 1173 00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:51,079 believe it is premature to teach and use 1174 00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:53,520 Therapeutic Touch 1175 00:55:59,089 --> 00:55:55,760 in an article last year in the journal 1176 00:56:02,089 --> 00:55:59,099 nursing research they wrote that while 1177 00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:02,099 the technique quote does excite interest 1178 00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,520 end quote it will quote never gain 1179 00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:07,680 professional credibility without clear 1180 00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,260 objective evidence to support it end 1181 00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:12,960 quote in their view most of the studies 1182 00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:15,599 before Dr Quinn's had methodological 1183 00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:19,260 flaws that could invalidate the findings 1184 00:56:24,829 --> 00:56:22,020 Dr Quinn said clinical use of 1185 00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:24,839 Therapeutic Touch had expanded rapidly 1186 00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:27,480 despite the absence of a large body of 1187 00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:29,460 scientific research and a lack of 1188 00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:32,520 understanding of how it actually worked 1189 00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:34,920 because it has been difficult to get 1190 00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:37,920 funds to study Therapeutic Touch most 1191 00:56:42,290 --> 00:56:40,200 current uses of the technique are based 1192 00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:42,300 mainly or entirely on clinical 1193 00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:44,700 experience rather than well-designed 1194 00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:47,400 scientific experiments for example the 1195 00:56:52,970 --> 00:56:49,740 technique is often used in newborn 1196 00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:52,980 nurseries to Aid premature babies with 1197 00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,680 respiratory problems very brief 1198 00:56:59,930 --> 00:56:57,359 Therapeutic Touch without actually 1199 00:57:02,270 --> 00:56:59,940 making contact with the baby apparently 1200 00:57:05,870 --> 00:57:02,280 relaxes the baby enough so it can bring 1201 00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:05,880 more oxygen to body tissues Dr Quinn 1202 00:57:11,329 --> 00:57:08,760 said she added doctors will often say to 1203 00:57:14,030 --> 00:57:11,339 the nurse who knows Therapeutic Touch go 1204 00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,040 do that baby noting that this is just 1205 00:57:18,410 --> 00:57:16,079 anecdotal clinical evidence Dr Quinn 1206 00:57:20,809 --> 00:57:18,420 said the phenomenon now needed to be 1207 00:57:23,809 --> 00:57:20,819 studied scientifically New York Times 1208 00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:23,819 through Australian Associated Press 1209 00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:26,700 uh there wasn't so much you know in The 1210 00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:29,940 Archives of uh the newspapers it did 1211 00:57:33,470 --> 00:57:31,140 crop up 1212 00:57:35,150 --> 00:57:33,480 a little bit but not very much at all 1213 00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:35,160 but here is another reference again from 1214 00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:37,680 the camera times dated the 12th of July 1215 00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:42,180 1993 in a column called it's all in the 1216 00:57:49,069 --> 00:57:46,680 mind TV previews by staff reporters 1217 00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:49,079 even the most skeptical of viewers 1218 00:57:54,770 --> 00:57:52,020 should be curious about the mysteries of 1219 00:57:57,230 --> 00:57:54,780 the Mind the program which at first 1220 00:58:00,109 --> 00:57:57,240 seems all about psychics and mind 1221 00:58:03,290 --> 00:58:00,119 connection has far more depth than that 1222 00:58:05,930 --> 00:58:03,300 the first clue to this is the host David 1223 00:58:09,049 --> 00:58:05,940 Suzuki although not always the most 1224 00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:09,059 conventional scientist he is credible 1225 00:58:14,990 --> 00:58:12,180 the mysteries of the Mind examines the 1226 00:58:18,349 --> 00:58:15,000 anomalies which are thrown up by psychic 1227 00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:18,359 events although the program moves from 1228 00:58:23,930 --> 00:58:22,140 the bazaar to the believable if you can 1229 00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:23,940 get past your own doubts for the first 1230 00:58:29,210 --> 00:58:26,520 20 minutes the show poses a number of 1231 00:58:31,569 --> 00:58:29,220 fascinating questions via science David 1232 00:58:34,609 --> 00:58:31,579 Suzuki first introduces a murder 1233 00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,619 investigation from Canada the police had 1234 00:58:39,770 --> 00:58:36,960 run out of Clues and in desperation 1235 00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,780 Enlisted the help of a psychic she was 1236 00:58:43,069 --> 00:58:41,760 able to solve the case 1237 00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:43,079 yeah 1238 00:58:49,849 --> 00:58:46,079 we are also shown the results of a 1239 00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:49,859 healing Therapeutic Touch experiment the 1240 00:58:53,930 --> 00:58:51,660 experiment was designed to demonstrate 1241 00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:53,940 that there is more to touch healing than 1242 00:58:59,450 --> 00:58:56,819 positive psychological effects it seems 1243 00:59:01,309 --> 00:58:59,460 convincing but as our host is quick to 1244 00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:01,319 point out the experiment has not been 1245 00:59:06,589 --> 00:59:04,200 replicated David Suzuki talks to 1246 00:59:09,049 --> 00:59:06,599 academics asking why people are so 1247 00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,059 interested in psychic phenomena then 1248 00:59:14,210 --> 00:59:11,280 looking at independent studies of 1249 00:59:16,510 --> 00:59:14,220 psychic phenomena The Mystery of the 1250 00:59:19,970 --> 00:59:16,520 mind then explains a little about 1251 00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:19,980 quantum physics this appears to be a 1252 00:59:25,069 --> 00:59:22,380 scientific area in which psychic 1253 00:59:27,069 --> 00:59:25,079 phenomena could be studied thus removing 1254 00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:27,079 some of the mystery and perhaps 1255 00:59:33,470 --> 00:59:30,839 providing some valid evidence drawing on 1256 00:59:35,690 --> 00:59:33,480 the opinions of academics from such 1257 00:59:36,890 --> 00:59:35,700 famous institutions as Princeton 1258 00:59:40,250 --> 00:59:36,900 University 1259 00:59:42,770 --> 00:59:40,260 The Mystery of the Mind produces some 1260 00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:42,780 interesting conclusions even the most 1261 00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,359 skeptical viewers will find themselves 1262 00:59:50,990 --> 00:59:48,000 wondering if there is justification for 1263 00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:51,000 more serious independent research in 1264 00:59:54,650 --> 00:59:52,079 this area 1265 00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:54,660 The Mystery of the Mind screens on 1266 00:59:59,809 --> 00:59:58,319 Thursday at 8 30 pm on SBS 1267 01:00:02,510 --> 00:59:59,819 Nicole Brown 1268 01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:02,520 and finally finally finally a little 1269 01:00:09,650 --> 01:00:05,700 advertisement here from 1999 on the 28th 1270 01:00:12,589 --> 01:00:09,660 of September in the western tires 1271 01:00:16,190 --> 01:00:12,599 whatever that publication was or is in 1272 01:00:17,870 --> 01:00:16,200 Tasmania and the ad reads experience the 1273 01:00:19,849 --> 01:00:17,880 Therapeutic Touch 1274 01:00:22,130 --> 01:00:19,859 of Reiki 1275 01:00:24,349 --> 01:00:22,140 combined with Crystal healing or have a 1276 01:00:27,650 --> 01:00:24,359 palm reading to check your direction in 1277 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:27,660 life qualified practitioner reasonable 1278 01:00:32,329 --> 01:00:28,370 rates 1279 01:00:34,849 --> 01:00:32,339 [Music] 1280 01:00:37,069 --> 01:00:34,859 what I find very interesting reading 1281 01:00:38,569 --> 01:00:37,079 these accounts and that's why it's so 1282 01:00:42,049 --> 01:00:38,579 important to have archives and why 1283 01:00:44,569 --> 01:00:42,059 trovin is so important is to see 1284 01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:44,579 what people thought at the time of what 1285 01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:46,559 we now know to be 1286 01:00:52,490 --> 01:00:49,619 uh to be blunt quackery things that 1287 01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,500 don't work history is borne out the fact 1288 01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,480 has shown us that these things don't 1289 01:00:59,930 --> 01:00:56,400 work there would be still people today 1290 01:01:02,390 --> 01:00:59,940 who practice Therapeutic Touch No Doubt 1291 01:01:04,970 --> 01:01:02,400 but after decades and decades if the 1292 01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:04,980 evidence still is not forthcoming I 1293 01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:07,980 think that is a major clue also you just 1294 01:01:12,589 --> 01:01:10,380 hear much about these things anymore 1295 01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:12,599 like Therapeutic Touch 1296 01:01:16,830 --> 01:01:15,240 again that's not to say they've gone 1297 01:01:20,410 --> 01:01:16,840 away entirely 1298 01:01:23,210 --> 01:01:20,420 [Music] 1299 01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:23,220 and what I hope doesn't go away entirely 1300 01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:26,280 is the Trove archive itself it is under 1301 01:01:31,069 --> 01:01:29,520 threat from government cutbacks let's 1302 01:01:33,410 --> 01:01:31,079 hope that the government can find the 1303 01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:33,420 funding to keep this valuable resource 1304 01:01:38,750 --> 01:01:35,760 going because when you go to Trove when 1305 01:01:41,770 --> 01:01:38,760 you search Trove when you visit Trove 1306 01:02:00,530 --> 01:01:41,780 you never know what you might find 1307 01:02:02,450 --> 01:02:00,540 [Music] 1308 01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:02,460 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1309 01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:05,640 Zone and I hope I get to see you meet 1310 01:02:10,609 --> 01:02:08,160 you at Sydney Skeptics in the pub this 1311 01:02:12,589 --> 01:02:10,619 Thursday night with our special guest 1312 01:02:14,569 --> 01:02:12,599 speaker Adrian Hill 1313 01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:14,579 and I'll be doing some interviews at the 1314 01:02:19,370 --> 01:02:17,040 pub and I think Maynard should be there 1315 01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:19,380 as well sounds like a great night again 1316 01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:22,319 I should be over jet lag by then stay up 1317 01:02:25,549 --> 01:02:24,480 late enough into the night and enjoy 1318 01:02:27,770 --> 01:02:25,559 that talk 1319 01:02:30,289 --> 01:02:27,780 so on next week's episode we hope to 1320 01:02:31,789 --> 01:02:30,299 bring you a report about that very 1321 01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:31,799 evening 1322 01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,079 thank you to 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